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Jackson Pleads Innocent on Molestation
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Sally Atticum
2004-05-02 10:29:08 UTC
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Jackson Pleads Innocent on Molestation
By LINDA DEUTSCH AP Special Correspondent


SANTA MARIA, Calif. (AP) - Michael Jackson pleaded not guilty Friday to an
indictment charging him with child molestation and a conspiracy count alleging
child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion.

The indictment also included four counts of lewd acts involving a minor child,
one count involving an attempted lewd act upon a child and four counts of
administering an intoxicating agent.

The alleged child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion are not
individual charges. Rather they are alleged as the circumstances leading to the
conspiracy count.

Jackson arrived in court 40 minutes early Friday for arraignment on a grand
jury indictment that could move the 5-month-old child molestation case closer
to trial.

Jackson, who was scolded by the judge for showing up late to his last hearing,
smiled and waved to fans as entered the courtroom under an umbrella.

Police Chief Danny Macagni said 42 of Santa Maria's 107 police officers were
assigned to the courthouse, along with about 50 sheriff's deputies, to handle
the throng of fans and journalists. At least 130 members of the media were
expected.

Thomas Mesereau Jr., a veteran criminal defense attorney, took over the case
last weekend after Jackson decided to remove Mark Geragos and Benjamin Brafman,
the two high-profile lawyers who had been directing his defense. The star said
he wanted lawyers who could devote full time to his case.

At his first court appearance Jan. 16, Jackson had showed up 20 minutes late
after taking time to greet cheering fans. Judge Rodney Melville told him, "you
have started out on the wrong foot here. I want to advise you that I will not
put up with that. It's an insult to the court."

After that hearing, Jackson had danced on top of an SUV for a crowd of 3,000
fans.

Experts said it was likely that Jackson's new lawyer advised him such raucous
displays are not in his best interest.

"The indictment means things are getting serious," said Loyola University
Professor Laurie Levenson. She said Jackson's behavior at the arraignment sets
the tone for the rest of the case.

"The question is which Michael Jackson are we going to get - the one who says
he is serious about saving his life or the one who dances on cars."

The grand jury indictment returned last week was so secret that the court
schedule doesn't even list an arraignment.

Jackson had already been charged with lewd and lascivious conduct with a child
under the age of 14 and giving an intoxicant, reportedly wine, to a youth under
14.

Outside the courthouse Friday, some fans waved handmade signs toward the throng
of television cameras. A banner reading "Michael - Being here is the least we
could do. To all: Through this media circus don't let your ears deceive you"
was also draped along the fence.

On Thursday night, two to three dozen fans gathered outside the singer's
Neverland Ranch about 30 miles from the courthouse for a candlelight vigil.
Some wore black "Free Michael" T-shirts, and one dressed as the singer.

Pedro Rivero, a 22-year-old from Madrid who said he had met Jackson "too many
times to count," said he had a feeling he needed to be at the arraignment.

"Everything that's happening is so unfair," said Rivero. "He's just so genuine,
so pure."

Associated Press writer Ryan Pearson contributed to this report.

2004-04-30 15:50:54 GMT

<b>You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.
<p><br><b>Laura k</b>
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<i>qualis artifex pereo</i><p></font>
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Bernie
2004-05-02 12:38:03 UTC
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You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo


That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
Counerston
2004-05-03 18:50:00 UTC
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You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo


That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
******************
Most child molesters know it is against the law, but they don't think they are
wrong to do it..............They rationalize that it is natural for
them.............
KC
Tonight we dance
****************
Sally Atticum
2004-05-06 05:04:12 UTC
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You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo


That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
******************
Most child molesters know it is against the law, but they don't think they are
wrong to do it..............They rationalize that it is natural for
them.............
KC
Tonight we dance
****************
I don't know. Most use it as a means of feeling powerful by choosing a
vulnerable victim. I don't see that he is doing that. It's more like he is
trying to be with them, or like tham. Like he is playing out some desire to be
liked and wanted by the kids. That's sort of the opposite of the usual child
molester.
<p><br><b>Laura k</b>
<br>

<i>qualis artifex pereo</i><p></font>
<p>
Bernie
2004-05-06 10:27:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: Jackson Pleads Innocent on Molestation
From: ***@aol.compos-sui (Sally Atticum)
Date: 5/6/2004 1:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
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You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo


That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
******************
Most child molesters know it is against the law, but they don't think they are
wrong to do it..............They rationalize that it is natural for
them.............
KC
Tonight we dance
****************
I don't know. Most use it as a means of feeling powerful by choosing a
vulnerable victim. I don't see that he is doing that. It's more like he is
trying to be with them, or like tham. Like he is playing out some desire to be
liked and wanted by the kids. That's sort of the opposite of the usual child
molester.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo

I don't think it would be difficult at all to get a psychiatric diagnosis of
some disorder (probably multiple ones) but a defense based on his not knowing
right from wrong (at the time of the offenses) will be much more difficult.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
Sally Atticum
2004-05-07 01:11:37 UTC
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You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo


That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
******************
Most child molesters know it is against the law, but they don't think they are
wrong to do it..............They rationalize that it is natural for
them.............
KC
Tonight we dance
****************
I don't know. Most use it as a means of feeling powerful by choosing a
vulnerable victim. I don't see that he is doing that. It's more like he is
trying to be with them, or like tham. Like he is playing out some desire to be
liked and wanted by the kids. That's sort of the opposite of the usual child
molester.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo

I don't think it would be difficult at all to get a psychiatric diagnosis of
some disorder (probably multiple ones) but a defense based on his not knowing
right from wrong (at the time of the offenses) will be much more difficult.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
I don't know their definition of "insanity." Is he being tried in California? I
can probably look it up or ask Peck.
<p><br><b>Laura k</b>
<br>

<i>qualis artifex pereo</i><p></font>
<p>
Sally Atticum
2004-05-06 04:59:32 UTC
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You know, looking at this from a legal defense standpoint, I think Jackson
could get an insanity plea under Texas's definition. I really don't think he
knows the difference between right and wrong. I honestly think he has the
mentality of a child. I wonder if they have done any psychological testing.
That would be the first thing I would have done with him. Depending on the
results, and the jury panel, I might try the plea.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo


That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
Yeah, the defense is going to have to be creative.
<p><br><b>Laura k</b>
<br>

<i>qualis artifex pereo</i><p></font>
<p>
Wafna05
2004-05-18 09:38:19 UTC
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That's an interesting thought. If he does have the mentality of a child, he'd
be developmentally delayed. I'm not sure I could buy that. I do believe there
is some disorder there....probably several. But I wonder if he really didn't
know right from wrong (and that would be a pretty young child's mentality) or
he was able to rationalize his behavior to the extent that he believed it was
right. It will be an interesting case to follow.
Bernie
-for Jason 4/3/98
Yeah, the defense is going to have to be creative.


Laura k
qualis artifex pereo
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At first, I thought that he was innocent, but now I think that something
happened...what it was, I don't know.
I don't think that child has had a happy life, his parents seem pretty strange,
what kind of a parent would allow Michael Jackson to have that kind of contact
with their child after the first scandal?
The fact that the child knew what his penis looked like didn't mean that the
child was molested, they could have used a urinal in a public restroom.
I don't understand why he would allow a child to sleep in his bed.
That was just looking for trouble in his case.
I'm tired of his antics.
I don't want to call him a child molester, but he is a damned nuisance!








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